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	<description>Looking at life through the prism of psychology, philosophy, mental health and more. Originally created by counsellor, psychotherapist and philosopher Dr Greg Mulhauser, this blog is now the work of an international team of contributors.</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Hadkins</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49340</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hadkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ellen,

Our thoughts surely affect our physical experience (and I think vice versa).  I think being in the present and not caught in our past experience is not simplistic at all - being able to do this can be a great liberation in my experience.

I hope we are all shining a light on suffering.  Many thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ellen,</p>
<p>Our thoughts surely affect our physical experience (and I think vice versa).  I think being in the present and not caught in our past experience is not simplistic at all &#8211; being able to do this can be a great liberation in my experience.</p>
<p>I hope we are all shining a light on suffering.  Many thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen Walsh-Smith</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49333</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen Walsh-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shinning a light on suffering is I believe part of the antedote.  They say consciousness is awareness being aware of itself, I say this to point to what I see as a coorelation between suffering and time.  I spent the first 35 years of my life suffering, with the greatest intensity being say 25 to 35.  I was so depressed as a result of the recognition and continued reflection on what had or had not happend in my life, having no ability to either accept or change what had happened to me.   As a result I reached a point of deciding life was far to painfull to continue.  Then someone said to me &quot;what is wrong right now?&quot; , I attempted to bring my past sad story forward and they said; &quot;no that was in the past, I mean right now!&quot;  There was nothing wrong... my consciousness had been refocused to that current moment and it was empty of pain without the past.  I know this sounds simplistic, but it is.  I think we as a people need to consider not living as photo albums of the past and worry about capturing the moment in the lens of right now.  I believe whole heartedly that physical illness is the twin of historical suffering.  It is the manifestation of depression and suffering on the body.  We are so much more then we realize.  We assume that illness is outside of our control, i believe in fact our mental pain resonates to illnesses and then illness appears on our bodies.  Another words we unconsciously partner with physical disfunction.  Pain and suffering are unconcious behaviors, the only thing that they have in common with the present, is the fact that we are unconcsiously replaying them there...hence more suffering in review. Additionally the replay generates more energy and that unconcious energy attracts and resonates the familiar to it.  I read all of your readers comments and then appreciated the forum and the topic you chose, I think that in the contemplation and the answering we all are turning on lights together, today being a person is fun.  Thoughtfully -el</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shinning a light on suffering is I believe part of the antedote.  They say consciousness is awareness being aware of itself, I say this to point to what I see as a coorelation between suffering and time.  I spent the first 35 years of my life suffering, with the greatest intensity being say 25 to 35.  I was so depressed as a result of the recognition and continued reflection on what had or had not happend in my life, having no ability to either accept or change what had happened to me.   As a result I reached a point of deciding life was far to painfull to continue.  Then someone said to me &#8220;what is wrong right now?&#8221; , I attempted to bring my past sad story forward and they said; &#8220;no that was in the past, I mean right now!&#8221;  There was nothing wrong&#8230; my consciousness had been refocused to that current moment and it was empty of pain without the past.  I know this sounds simplistic, but it is.  I think we as a people need to consider not living as photo albums of the past and worry about capturing the moment in the lens of right now.  I believe whole heartedly that physical illness is the twin of historical suffering.  It is the manifestation of depression and suffering on the body.  We are so much more then we realize.  We assume that illness is outside of our control, i believe in fact our mental pain resonates to illnesses and then illness appears on our bodies.  Another words we unconsciously partner with physical disfunction.  Pain and suffering are unconcious behaviors, the only thing that they have in common with the present, is the fact that we are unconcsiously replaying them there&#8230;hence more suffering in review. Additionally the replay generates more energy and that unconcious energy attracts and resonates the familiar to it.  I read all of your readers comments and then appreciated the forum and the topic you chose, I think that in the contemplation and the answering we all are turning on lights together, today being a person is fun.  Thoughtfully -el</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hadkins</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49297</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hadkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tyron,

I&#039;m glad we&#039;re helping you.  Unfortunately the web and especially blogs focus on words.  It&#039;s the nature of the beast I&#039;m afraid.

Please let us know if there is anything you would like to see a post on.  Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tyron,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad we&#8217;re helping you.  Unfortunately the web and especially blogs focus on words.  It&#8217;s the nature of the beast I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>Please let us know if there is anything you would like to see a post on.  Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyron Thomas</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49293</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyron Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man Evan,

You and everyone in these comments and discussions are really deep people, which is a good thing. I read all of the stuff you post on here and everyone&#039;s comments and I be wanting to comment to say something back, but I can&#039;t put my words together like you all can. I just want to let everybody that wrote a comment in this particular page, and you Evan, that a 21 year old guy from Odessa, Tx who&#039;s had is share of problems is readin and learnin, and I am becoming a better person because of you all.

And I believe there&#039;s a real good spot in heaven for all of those people that are like Norah too, Teresa. Any spot in heaven is good to me though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man Evan,</p>
<p>You and everyone in these comments and discussions are really deep people, which is a good thing. I read all of the stuff you post on here and everyone&#8217;s comments and I be wanting to comment to say something back, but I can&#8217;t put my words together like you all can. I just want to let everybody that wrote a comment in this particular page, and you Evan, that a 21 year old guy from Odessa, Tx who&#8217;s had is share of problems is readin and learnin, and I am becoming a better person because of you all.</p>
<p>And I believe there&#8217;s a real good spot in heaven for all of those people that are like Norah too, Teresa. Any spot in heaven is good to me though.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hadkins</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49242</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hadkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Teresa,  I love Frankl.

The difference between accepting and enjoying suffering is vital - as you suggest.  I (and others who have suffered much more than me) have found that it is possible to move to a place of serenity.

In my experience addiction is often about avoiding suffering.

Thanks especially for your thoughts for Norah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Teresa,  I love Frankl.</p>
<p>The difference between accepting and enjoying suffering is vital &#8211; as you suggest.  I (and others who have suffered much more than me) have found that it is possible to move to a place of serenity.</p>
<p>In my experience addiction is often about avoiding suffering.</p>
<p>Thanks especially for your thoughts for Norah.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49241</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viktor E. Frankl wrote &quot;When a man finds that it is his destiny to suffer, he will have to accept his suffering as his task, his single and unique task. He will have to acknowledge the fact that even in suffering he is unique and alone in the universe. No one can relieve him of his suffering or suffer in his place. His unique opportunity lies in the way in which he bears his burden&quot;

In reality, to live is to endure suffering; how would we know how to fully appreciate pleasure if we never experienced pain. Suffering does provide the opportunity for self exploration and personal growth.  Working in the field of chemical dependency there is a great deal of exploration into human suffering and resulting addicitons. In reality it is the attempts to avoid suffering that can create the greatest amount of distress.

That is not to say that I enjoy suffering, but I have learned that if I am willing to accept and bear my burden, I will have a much better chance of finding serenity. Much of my life was spent in a very distressing and seemingly hopeless situation. When I accepted the challege of suffering, but suffering with a purpose, I was able to move forward and use my experience to help others. Many self-help programs spring from that very philosophy.

I do pray for your friend Norah, that kind of physical suffering is difficult to understand. I do believe that there is a very special place in heaven for people such as her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viktor E. Frankl wrote &#8220;When a man finds that it is his destiny to suffer, he will have to accept his suffering as his task, his single and unique task. He will have to acknowledge the fact that even in suffering he is unique and alone in the universe. No one can relieve him of his suffering or suffer in his place. His unique opportunity lies in the way in which he bears his burden&#8221;</p>
<p>In reality, to live is to endure suffering; how would we know how to fully appreciate pleasure if we never experienced pain. Suffering does provide the opportunity for self exploration and personal growth.  Working in the field of chemical dependency there is a great deal of exploration into human suffering and resulting addicitons. In reality it is the attempts to avoid suffering that can create the greatest amount of distress.</p>
<p>That is not to say that I enjoy suffering, but I have learned that if I am willing to accept and bear my burden, I will have a much better chance of finding serenity. Much of my life was spent in a very distressing and seemingly hopeless situation. When I accepted the challege of suffering, but suffering with a purpose, I was able to move forward and use my experience to help others. Many self-help programs spring from that very philosophy.</p>
<p>I do pray for your friend Norah, that kind of physical suffering is difficult to understand. I do believe that there is a very special place in heaven for people such as her.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariana</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49238</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This confirms that opinion that states there&#039;s (almost) always a bright side to every experience in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This confirms that opinion that states there&#8217;s (almost) always a bright side to every experience in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hadkins</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49237</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hadkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jean, I didn&#039;t know this about Erickson.  From all reports he was simply an amazing practitioner.  Listening and observing are extremely powerful I think.  Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jean, I didn&#8217;t know this about Erickson.  From all reports he was simply an amazing practitioner.  Listening and observing are extremely powerful I think.  Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hadkins</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49236</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hadkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarah, I&#039;m not a Buddhist.  I certainly agree that suffering is a fact of life.  I also value compassion, awareness and relief from suffering.

I guess &#039;liberation&#039; is a difficult term, so I try to talk about joy - elated calmness, and so on.  Not sure what &#039;bliss&#039;, &#039;liberation&#039; etc specifically refer to in the Buddhist tradition.  &quot;Liberation&quot; has the virtue of including the social dimension more easily I think.  Maybe my focus is too individualist - partly this is a limitation of this medium I think: individuals reading stuff on their own computer.  It may be that I just haven&#039;t thought enough about it.  Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah, I&#8217;m not a Buddhist.  I certainly agree that suffering is a fact of life.  I also value compassion, awareness and relief from suffering.</p>
<p>I guess &#8216;liberation&#8217; is a difficult term, so I try to talk about joy &#8211; elated calmness, and so on.  Not sure what &#8216;bliss&#8217;, &#8216;liberation&#8217; etc specifically refer to in the Buddhist tradition.  &#8220;Liberation&#8221; has the virtue of including the social dimension more easily I think.  Maybe my focus is too individualist &#8211; partly this is a limitation of this medium I think: individuals reading stuff on their own computer.  It may be that I just haven&#8217;t thought enough about it.  Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Browman--Cheerful Monk</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/24/valuing-suffering/#comment-49234</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Browman--Cheerful Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was fairly isolated when I was a kid and for a while I was bored out of my mind and depressed.  It gave me enough motivation for the rest of my life.  One of my favorite quotes was from Milton Erickson, the father of modern medical hypnosis.  When he was asked how he developed his extraordinary talent, he said,   &quot;I was lucky.  I was completely paralyzed when I was a kid.&quot;  He had polio and for a while the doctors didn&#039;t think he would live.  Since he couldn&#039;t move he learned to listen and observe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was fairly isolated when I was a kid and for a while I was bored out of my mind and depressed.  It gave me enough motivation for the rest of my life.  One of my favorite quotes was from Milton Erickson, the father of modern medical hypnosis.  When he was asked how he developed his extraordinary talent, he said,   &#8220;I was lucky.  I was completely paralyzed when I was a kid.&#8221;  He had polio and for a while the doctors didn&#8217;t think he would live.  Since he couldn&#8217;t move he learned to listen and observe.</p>
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