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	<title>Comments on: Understanding the Aggressive Personalities, Part 2</title>
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	<description>Looking at life through the prism of psychology, philosophy, mental health and more. Originally created by counsellor, psychotherapist and philosopher Dr Greg Mulhauser, this blog is now the work of an international team of contributors.</description>
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		<title>By: elanenergy</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2008/11/04/aggressive-personalities-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-49035</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Simon, Thanks for your terrific response.  I very much suspected (as a lay person) that &quot;us&quot; neurotics are the lesser of today&#039;s psychologically challenged, so I&#039;m relieved to hear you say it.  And I hope your book and/or future pieces on this topic of character disturbed does address how this happens at the institutional level (I believe even our American school systems are actually fostering this type of thinking/behavior).  I do read a lot about psychology, and I very much appreciate your &quot;take&quot; on how this type of behavior should be viewed and treated.  &quot;Character&quot; is not something that is typically addressed in the psychological arena, and yet it is the most important aspect of individual freedom, and of civilized society.  I look forward to reading your book (on my rather lengthy reading list) and all future articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Simon, Thanks for your terrific response.  I very much suspected (as a lay person) that &#8220;us&#8221; neurotics are the lesser of today&#8217;s psychologically challenged, so I&#8217;m relieved to hear you say it.  And I hope your book and/or future pieces on this topic of character disturbed does address how this happens at the institutional level (I believe even our American school systems are actually fostering this type of thinking/behavior).  I do read a lot about psychology, and I very much appreciate your &#8220;take&#8221; on how this type of behavior should be viewed and treated.  &#8220;Character&#8221; is not something that is typically addressed in the psychological arena, and yet it is the most important aspect of individual freedom, and of civilized society.  I look forward to reading your book (on my rather lengthy reading list) and all future articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am smilimg George as you are already working hard on this subject matter! Thanks for sharing that with me! You made my day! Diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am smilimg George as you are already working hard on this subject matter! Thanks for sharing that with me! You made my day! Diane</p>
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		<title>By: Dr George Simon, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr George Simon, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  Happy St. Pat&#039;s to you also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  Happy St. Pat&#8217;s to you also.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr George Simon, PhD</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2008/11/04/aggressive-personalities-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-49032</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr George Simon, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collaboration is always most welcome.  I could spend hours......In fact after 13 years of writing, I&#039;m still not finished with a book on the sociocultural underpinnings of the character crisis and a prescription for the way out of it. There&#039;s so much to say and inevitable controversy to spark.    Being succinct yet thorough enough and garnering sufficient supporting data has been a real challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collaboration is always most welcome.  I could spend hours&#8230;&#8230;In fact after 13 years of writing, I&#8217;m still not finished with a book on the sociocultural underpinnings of the character crisis and a prescription for the way out of it. There&#8217;s so much to say and inevitable controversy to spark.    Being succinct yet thorough enough and garnering sufficient supporting data has been a real challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

I do agree with your answer!

A subject fond in my heart...uncorruptable statesmen. Any ideas?

Or how to spot the ones there already so we all can support them more because they are already that!!!

I know a another post or a book....

It would be a great parental book the ingredients it takes to raise an uncorruptable statesmen...don&#039;t you think? 

Would love to collaborate on that one!!!

Happy St. Patrick&#039;s Day!
Diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>I do agree with your answer!</p>
<p>A subject fond in my heart&#8230;uncorruptable statesmen. Any ideas?</p>
<p>Or how to spot the ones there already so we all can support them more because they are already that!!!</p>
<p>I know a another post or a book&#8230;.</p>
<p>It would be a great parental book the ingredients it takes to raise an uncorruptable statesmen&#8230;don&#8217;t you think? </p>
<p>Would love to collaborate on that one!!!</p>
<p>Happy St. Patrick&#8217;s Day!<br />
Diane</p>
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		<title>By: Dr George Simon, PhD</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2008/11/04/aggressive-personalities-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-49011</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr George Simon, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question!  No, it is not a &quot;coincidence&quot; that such people are in the positions you outline.  It&#039;s not that every politician or corporate head is character disordered, but rather that aggressive personalities seek power relentlessly and abuse it when they get it.  So, they naturally gravitate toward fields of endeavor where they can wield it.  There are also many sociocultural reasons that character disturbance of all types is becoming more prevalent.  That will be the subject of future posts.  In Sigmund Freud&#039;s day, excessive neurosis was the problem.  Today, neurosis is at functional levels and it&#039;s the neurotics that are keeping the fabric of society together.  Character disturbance is unfortunately expanding at epidemic proportions and equally unfortunate is the fact that most traditional psychology paradigms aren&#039;t adequate to explain or deal with the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question!  No, it is not a &#8220;coincidence&#8221; that such people are in the positions you outline.  It&#8217;s not that every politician or corporate head is character disordered, but rather that aggressive personalities seek power relentlessly and abuse it when they get it.  So, they naturally gravitate toward fields of endeavor where they can wield it.  There are also many sociocultural reasons that character disturbance of all types is becoming more prevalent.  That will be the subject of future posts.  In Sigmund Freud&#8217;s day, excessive neurosis was the problem.  Today, neurosis is at functional levels and it&#8217;s the neurotics that are keeping the fabric of society together.  Character disturbance is unfortunately expanding at epidemic proportions and equally unfortunate is the fact that most traditional psychology paradigms aren&#8217;t adequate to explain or deal with the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: elanenergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>elanenergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is just a coincidence that these &quot;types&quot; of people are running corporate America, the judicial system and politics?  It is merely coincidence that this type of &quot;win at any price&quot; mentality is reinforced in these institutions?  And is it also a coincidence that these types of people never seem to embrace &quot;faith&quot; as a tennant to good living?  Of course these are not coincidences.  Power is their religion.  They have no humility, only pride.  Tell me Dr. Simon, are these people growing in number, because it seems to me these power mongers are taking over the world.  And it scares me....a LOT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is just a coincidence that these &#8220;types&#8221; of people are running corporate America, the judicial system and politics?  It is merely coincidence that this type of &#8220;win at any price&#8221; mentality is reinforced in these institutions?  And is it also a coincidence that these types of people never seem to embrace &#8220;faith&#8221; as a tennant to good living?  Of course these are not coincidences.  Power is their religion.  They have no humility, only pride.  Tell me Dr. Simon, are these people growing in number, because it seems to me these power mongers are taking over the world.  And it scares me&#8230;.a LOT.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr George Simon, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr George Simon, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Diane.

I do plan to expand on the core dynamics as well as to take a more in-depth look at each aggressive personality subtype.

Now, as to your really good question:

Although they are not naturally predisposed to give-in or give ground, even when it would be in their (and everyone else&#039;s) best interest, these individuals can indeed learn to do so.  That&#039;s what good, confrontive cognitive-behavioral therapy can and should do.  The reason that for so long we didn&#039;t seem to help these folks was not so much been that the core dynamics are impossible to deal with.  The problem was that for too long the core issues were never actually the focus of intervention.  For example, some counselors wasted a whole lot of time and energy trying to get their clients to &quot;see&quot; the long term consequences of their behavior.  I still encounter counselors who delude themselves into thinking that they will be that one counselor in a hundred who finally makes the light bulb go off in their client&#039;s head.  Insight-oriented approaches are doomed to fail, because these characters already have insight, yet the behavior pattern persists because of the degree to which it is ingrained.  Other counselors tended to equate challenging core maladaptive conduct as unnecessarily judgmental and alienating with respect to building a therapeutic relationship.  Whatever the reason, the core problem would often go unaddressed.  There are so many novel and interesting ways one can deal creatively with the core issues, once the decision is made to make them the primary focus of therapeutic work.  In my professional workshops, I like to cite an example of one man I worked with who was so power and control-oriented that it took two years of progressive approximation behavioral strategies just to get him to let one of his golf buddies be the driver of the golf cart.  Slow, steady, work .......... creative at times,......... but always focused on the real problem.  I wouldn&#039;t have stuck with this kind of work for over 20 years if I hadn&#039;t seen many positive results.  I just had to give up all the old notions I had about how to help people change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Diane.</p>
<p>I do plan to expand on the core dynamics as well as to take a more in-depth look at each aggressive personality subtype.</p>
<p>Now, as to your really good question:</p>
<p>Although they are not naturally predisposed to give-in or give ground, even when it would be in their (and everyone else&#8217;s) best interest, these individuals can indeed learn to do so.  That&#8217;s what good, confrontive cognitive-behavioral therapy can and should do.  The reason that for so long we didn&#8217;t seem to help these folks was not so much been that the core dynamics are impossible to deal with.  The problem was that for too long the core issues were never actually the focus of intervention.  For example, some counselors wasted a whole lot of time and energy trying to get their clients to &#8220;see&#8221; the long term consequences of their behavior.  I still encounter counselors who delude themselves into thinking that they will be that one counselor in a hundred who finally makes the light bulb go off in their client&#8217;s head.  Insight-oriented approaches are doomed to fail, because these characters already have insight, yet the behavior pattern persists because of the degree to which it is ingrained.  Other counselors tended to equate challenging core maladaptive conduct as unnecessarily judgmental and alienating with respect to building a therapeutic relationship.  Whatever the reason, the core problem would often go unaddressed.  There are so many novel and interesting ways one can deal creatively with the core issues, once the decision is made to make them the primary focus of therapeutic work.  In my professional workshops, I like to cite an example of one man I worked with who was so power and control-oriented that it took two years of progressive approximation behavioral strategies just to get him to let one of his golf buddies be the driver of the golf cart.  Slow, steady, work &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. creative at times,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; but always focused on the real problem.  I wouldn&#8217;t have stuck with this kind of work for over 20 years if I hadn&#8217;t seen many positive results.  I just had to give up all the old notions I had about how to help people change.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://counsellingresource.com/features/2008/11/04/aggressive-personalities-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-48106</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi George,

Very informative article. Your point that these types have an inordinate predisposition for aggression at the heart of their character disturbances is well recieved. The sub-catorgories are helpful in pinpointing certain behaviors of typical personalty character disorders. Unrelenting fighters that sure fits their behaviors. Are you going to expand on these through out your articles? I hope so. Like an example of behaviors. I doubt they are about to concede, back down or submit for their long term best interests or anyone elses. Are there therapies that have actually resulted in this? 

Thanks, 
Diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi George,</p>
<p>Very informative article. Your point that these types have an inordinate predisposition for aggression at the heart of their character disturbances is well recieved. The sub-catorgories are helpful in pinpointing certain behaviors of typical personalty character disorders. Unrelenting fighters that sure fits their behaviors. Are you going to expand on these through out your articles? I hope so. Like an example of behaviors. I doubt they are about to concede, back down or submit for their long term best interests or anyone elses. Are there therapies that have actually resulted in this? </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Diane</p>
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